Discussion:
Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?
Peter Lindgren
2013-09-11 09:55:19 UTC
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Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing that
hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89, updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?


/Peter
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Peter Dettman
2013-09-18 14:42:36 UTC
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Hi Peter,
Yes, we're still maintaining it and looking to resume more active
development after a couple of quiet years. Really there's not much
keeping back 1.8. We're looking to improve the packaging (nuget) and to
move to the Portable Class Library as the primary release platform, but
I think we'll just release 1.8 as a roll-up of the improvements so far
and look at those things for a 2.0 release.

However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are
users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version
before 4?

Regards,
Pete Dettman
Post by Peter Lindgren
Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing
that hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89, updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?
/Peter
Mankowski, Chris
2013-09-18 14:56:46 UTC
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I have been entertaining the idea of using Bouncy castle on the .NET Gadgeteer, running .Net Micro framework. If .NET Micro supports 4.0 I don't have any concern with it.

Regarding .NET 1.1, I looked at MSFTs support lifecycle and it appears that it is supported if installed on a modern OS which is suprising. Did I read that correctly?
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/?sort=PN&alpha=.NET+Framework

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To: dev-crypto-csharp-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [dev-crypto-csharp] Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?

Hi Peter,
Yes, we're still maintaining it and looking to resume more active development after a couple of quiet years. Really there's not much keeping back 1.8. We're looking to improve the packaging (nuget) and to move to the Portable Class Library as the primary release platform, but I think we'll just release 1.8 as a roll-up of the improvements so far and look at those things for a 2.0 release.

However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?

Regards,
Pete Dettman
Post by Peter Lindgren
Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing
that hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89, updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?
/Peter
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Holovacs, Jeremy
2013-09-18 14:59:16 UTC
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A lot of production applications still regularly use 2.0. I haven't seen
1.1 around for a while.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Peter Dettman <
Post by Peter Dettman
Hi Peter,
Yes, we're still maintaining it and looking to resume more active
development after a couple of quiet years. Really there's not much keeping
back 1.8. We're looking to improve the packaging (nuget) and to move to the
Portable Class Library as the primary release platform, but I think we'll
just release 1.8 as a roll-up of the improvements so far and look at those
things for a 2.0 release.
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are users
relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?
Regards,
Pete Dettman
Post by Peter Lindgren
Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing
that hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/**jira/browse/BMA-89<http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89>,
updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?
/Peter
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Steve Budan
2013-09-18 15:03:10 UTC
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Using BC.NET with 4 only
-steve

From: Holovacs, Jeremy [mailto:jholovacs-xHzrhMJjkLXN/KKgT+***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: September-18-13 10:59 AM
To: Peter Dettman
Cc: dev-crypto-csharp-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [dev-crypto-csharp] Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?

A lot of production applications still regularly use 2.0. I haven't seen 1.1 around for a while.

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Peter Dettman <***@bouncycastle.org<mailto:peter.dettman-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
Hi Peter,
Yes, we're still maintaining it and looking to resume more active development after a couple of quiet years. Really there's not much keeping back 1.8. We're looking to improve the packaging (nuget) and to move to the Portable Class Library as the primary release platform, but I think we'll just release 1.8 as a roll-up of the improvements so far and look at those things for a 2.0 release.

However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are users relying on BC.NET<http://BC.NET> running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?

Regards,
Pete Dettman

On 11/09/2013 4:55 PM, Peter Lindgren wrote:
Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing
that hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89, updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?


/Peter




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Holovacs, Jeremy
2013-09-18 15:09:04 UTC
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Understood, but I think asking a mailing list how many people use a
specific library with a specific framework version will not lead to a
reliable statistical sampling. If we take a bit more holistic approach,
and examine how many production applications (to which some percentage will
use the library) are using various framework versions, I think one can
infer that a significant number of production implementations of
BC.NETwill be on a .NET 2.0 framework.

...that just seemed wordy though :)


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A lot of production applications still regularly use 2.0. I haven't seen
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Peter Dettman <
Hi Peter,
Yes, we're still maintaining it and looking to resume more active
development after a couple of quiet years. Really there's not much keeping
back 1.8. We're looking to improve the packaging (nuget) and to move to the
Portable Class Library as the primary release platform, but I think we'll
just release 1.8 as a roll-up of the improvements so far and look at those
things for a 2.0 release.
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are users
relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?
Regards,
Pete Dettman
On 11/09/2013 4:55 PM, Peter Lindgren wrote:****
Hi!
I just joined, and when I look at the issues in Jira and Github, it
appears like the project is somewhat maintained, and the only thing
that hinders the 1.8 release is
http://www.bouncycastle.org/jira/browse/BMA-89, updating the README
file, an issue from 2011. Is that correct?
/Peter****
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Brian Reiter
2013-09-18 15:26:03 UTC
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Post by Mankowski, Chris
to what extent are users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?
We have several applications for my company and clients that have BouncyCastleCrypto as a dependency and run on .NET 2.0-3.5.

Cheers.
//brian
Sid Shetye
2013-09-18 16:39:04 UTC
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While we don't use BC at the moment, but you could phase out support for .NET < 4.0 starting from BC 1.8 or 2.0. That way current projects still on legacy versions can stay there and the core team can spend their valuable time and brainpower on future improvements than on continuous legacy support.

My $0.02
Post by Mankowski, Chris
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version before 4?
Peter Lindgren
2013-09-19 10:01:43 UTC
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Post by Peter Dettman
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are
users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version
before 4?
Microsoft BizTalk 2006R2 is still in production on many customer sites,
it uses .Net 3.5 SP2. So from my point of view, 3.5 is sufficient.

/Peter
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Skwarek Dariusz-HVT786
2013-09-19 11:18:27 UTC
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We are using Bounce Castle with .NET Compact Framework 3.5.
It is not compatible with .NET 4.0 and portable libraries.
We would like to port our code to the device which supports .NET portable libraries but it is a long way to go.

Regards,
Darek

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From: Peter Lindgren [mailto:peter-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:02 PM
To: dev-crypto-csharp-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [dev-crypto-csharp] Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?
Post by Peter Dettman
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are
users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version
before 4?
Microsoft BizTalk 2006R2 is still in production on many customer sites, it uses .Net 3.5 SP2. So from my point of view, 3.5 is sufficient.

/Peter
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Jean-Paul Berthelot
2013-09-19 15:48:02 UTC
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Hi Darek and all,

Bouncy Castle in my experience presents an invaluable toolset for .NET security.
Providing support for current and future mobile devices for example in my view is imperative.

.NET 3.5 in my view should be maintained.
In my area of work (distributed computing and applications), NET 3.5 is a strong foundation runtime and is used in commercial and research frameworks.
By the same token the parallel capabilities and other CLR features of NET 4.0 and more recently 4.5 are very important as well and should be extended by Bouncy Castle.

Perhaps maintain NET 3.5 to have full support including legacy NET 2.0 and earlier. Then have a separate release for NET 4.0 as well.

I think Bouncy Castle should be across the board.

Kind regards,

Jean-Paul
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From: Skwarek Dariusz-HVT786 [dskwarek-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:18 PM
To: dev-crypto-csharp-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: RE: [dev-crypto-csharp] Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?

We are using Bounce Castle with .NET Compact Framework 3.5.
It is not compatible with .NET 4.0 and portable libraries.
We would like to port our code to the device which supports .NET portable libraries but it is a long way to go.

Regards,
Darek

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lindgren [mailto:peter-***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:02 PM
To: dev-crypto-csharp-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [dev-crypto-csharp] Status in general and specifically for release 1.8?
Post by Peter Dettman
However this may be a good time to ask the list: to what extent are
users relying on BC.NET running on .NET 1.1, or really on any version
before 4?
Microsoft BizTalk 2006R2 is still in production on many customer sites, it uses .Net 3.5 SP2. So from my point of view, 3.5 is sufficient.

/Peter
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